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>> tonight on all in. >> this is a good situation. let's be honest. this is a good economy. >> the surest sign yet the economy is rolling, donald trump wants credit. >> i stand for everything that the stock market should be standing for and it's very important. >> tonight, changing vibes and changing attacks from republicans who can't run against the economy. >> he said that the reason the stock market was good was because of him. americans aren't stupid. >> the case that an ineligible insurrectionist can't appear on a presidential ballot goes to the supreme court. plus, what we are learning about who attacked an american base in jordan, and the substance and the sideshow. >> have you ever been a member of the chinese communist party? >> no. >> senator amy klobuchar on today's hearing on internet safety for children. >> i just want to get this stuff done. i am so tired of this. >> when all in starts right now. the good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. it is 2024 and the american economy is back, baby. you don't have to take my word for it. we have been covering for months on this show that there has been and is a gap, a lingering gap, between the
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economy is performing based on every metric, which is incredibly, well and the way voters say they feel about the economy, which has been quite pessimistic. every day brings new data the demonstrates the american economy is roaring or. today it is this chart, which you might call the gdp olympics, of all of the most developed economies on earth. which one do you think is growing the fastest? well, it's joe biden's united states, by a lot. the big green bar at the top is our gdp here in the good old u.s. of a. you see how much bigger it is than the others? the u.s. is literally the best economy in the world. last year economy grew faster than japan, the second best economy, more than double the rate of canada, a distant third. not only that, but we are projected to blow the competition out of the water again this year. and this is just one data point of many. wages, in real terms, real wages, the amount of actual purchasing power is rising. inflation, by some measures, is following below the feds target. in anticipation they may start
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cutting interest rates. investment in manufacturing has now set record highs. new business formation, that people making small businesses, has set record highs. household wealth has set a record high. and today, amid all this good news, federal reserve chair jerome powell got as enthusiastic as it is possible for a central banker like him when discussing the state of u. s. economy. >> the labor market, 3. 7% unemployment indicates that the labor market is strong. we've had just about two years now of unemployment under 4%. that hasn't happened in 50 years. it is a good labor market. we've seen inflation come down. we have talked about that. we've got six months of good inflation data an expectation that there is more to come. this is a good situation. let's be honest. this is a good economy. >> to be clear, for a fed chair that's the equivalent of stripping off your clothes and twerking for three minutes straight. no one does that. the last three years of the
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biden administration has essentially, get this, put us back on track economically in a better spot than if covid hadn't happened. i want to see that again. as the white house noted a few weeks ago, quote, the level of u.s. real gdp in 2023, even exceeded summit pre-pandemic forecasts, including that of congressional budget office and the imf. that's right. the economy did better last year than the economic projection showed before the pandemic, before covid. when nobody knew there would be this cataclysmic event and was sent recession in 2020. back in 2019 the budget office thought gdp would grow by an
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average of 1. 7% in 2023. again, looking in the future not knowing there's gonna be a pandemic. it actually grew 2. 5%. and speaking of the pandemic, trump and his supporters often argue it's unfair to compare biden's economy with trump's which again covid take the world economy in 2020. here's the thing. listen to this. if you ignore 2020, joe biden wasn't president, donald trump was. let's just throw that. out if you ignore 2020, the economy under biden is still doing better than trump's was. take away covid, as the washington monthly notes, quote, under biden from january 2022 to december 2023, employment grew an average annual rate of 2. 4% compared to a 1. 5% rate under trump from january 2017 to february 2020. so again, if you bend over backwards to give donald trump the most favorite comparison possible, where you completely take him off the hook for the economy tanking under his watch when he was president due to covid, and you ignore the first year of the biden presidency
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when they hear the huge booms, the world reopens, take that off the board, biden is still his economy is still wiping trump's butt. the question becomes, if economy is doing so well, why don't voters think it is? i think that's the only change. one thing you realize is simple partisanship. republicans will never give a democrat credit for a good economy. and while there is the same thing vice versa in reverse, it's a symmetric, which is to
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say democrats are more willing to give republicans credit. so here's just one example. there's a lot of types that look like this. just days after the networks called the 2020 election for joe biden, there is our poll asking democrats and republicans how they felt about the economy going forward. suddenly, in that red line, republicans feel very pessimistic about the economy. democrats start to feel better. this is before joe biden was sworn into office. but if you look at this graph, notice that drop by republicans is way more than the gain in democrat. you see that? republicans are way more power to san in their review of the economy and democrats, even though both sides are pretty -- so that's one of the things going. on this part of the population that's never gonna give pollsters a positive reaction to a joe biden or a democratic
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economy. but for other folks, who might not be partisan or political, there is a lag. there's a lag between when the economy starts to improve the numbers and when people feel it, when they feel more secure. that lag is starting to go away. we are starting to see people catch up with reality. you can see it in consumer confidence numbers, which are improving. this is a problem for republicans, because they want
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the economy to do poorly under joe biden. >> you have an economy that is so fragile. the only reason it's running now is that it's running off the fumes of what we did. it's running off the fumes. and when there's a crash, i hope it's going to be during this next 12 months, because i don't want to be herbert hoover. the one president i just don't wanna be herbert hoover. >> he kind of was herbert hoover because he was president in 2020 when the whole thing crash, so he's already that. also, january six, beautiful touch there. so trump hasn't got his wish with the stock market, though he is rooting for it to crash. the stock market is booming. economic recovery is so good that even fox has to be grudgingly acknowledge it. >> take a look at this headline in the washington post. bring it to you again because it was kind of a stand out. it says, falling inflation,
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rising growth give the u.s. the world's best recovery. i think the democrats are going to run without headline. they're going to plaster this all over the place. but are they right? is america, does america now have the best recovery? >> well, yes. >> i'll bet that the next time kjpe or the president takes any kind of questions of any kind on the economy, that washington post article is going to be right there, front and center. we've got the best recovery. that's a pretty good political slogan in an election year. >> yes. also helped by the fact that it is just plainly the truth. so it's going to point republicans can no longer
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ignore reality, which is why incident denigrating the economy, donald trump is now trying to take credit for it on social media. like for one day to the next, which of course is a trump playbook. anything that bad happens isn't his fault, while he deserves credit for anything good under his watch. it's something's press secretary noted when the first full jobs report of the trump presidency was released. >> in the past the president has referred to drawbridge as phony or totally fiction. does the president believe that this jobs report was accurate and a fair way to measure the economy? >> i talked to the president prior to this. he said to quote him very clearly. they may have been thorny in the past but it's very real
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now. >> her heart, very funny, reality doesn't matter, nothing nothing matters, it's goods when it's good when i'm in, power made up when i'm not. but the idea that trump deserves credit for the biden economy is too ridiculous to reach most people. somehow corporations are gonna be like, yes it's a trump stock market, or whatever ludicrousness. but that's not going to work for most voters. that's why republicans are trying to change the subject. they love to talk about kitchen table issues in the price of eggs and all that stuff six months ago. now? no. they're reaching for their political safety blanket which is called immigration. that makes them feel safe. when they're trying about immigration. so right now they are trying to impeach the homeland security secretary. the first time in 150 years, 170 years, because they disagree with his immigration policy. they think he's not doing a
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good job. and they are doing this and hopes that americans will pay more attention to immigration and the economy. it's not a crazy idea. there are some signs of might be working. some polling out today that indicates voters are starting to canmore about immigration than the economy. like well, the economy is fixed, i don't care about that. but even as republicans try to get to the chase the shiny object, it's crucial for democrats and also for fair minded journalists and reporters everywhere, not to lose sight of the facts. again, setting aside politics, based on the metrics we have, we have a lot of numbers about the economy, something we
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measure more than anything. president biden has done the best job digging the economy out of a deep hole that we have seen since fdr. stephanie ruhle, senior business analyst at nbc news, host of the 11th hour, covering the economy a lot on your program. >> i came here because i thought i was getting juron powell stripped down. and you just laid out the -- middle of the economic news. nothing left for me to do. i've got nothing. >> first of all, i am rate, because central bankers are measured, markets move on adjectives these. for him to be like -- >> that's huge. people measure every twitch of his nose. just like janet yellen last week kind of ran a victory lap. when it comes to the administration and what janet yellen is saying, that both of these things are huge. jerome powell is not working for the administration but he is signaling to the markets, yes, that rate cut is likely coming, not today because he certainly doesn't want to be too early, but the administration is also
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realizing, you laid it out, they've got all the great economic data. they need to do a better job messaging this. and you said, listen, trump does such a great job lying about it in convincing people, democrats need to do a better job of talking. look at our own production? why aren't we hearing from this white house? we are producing more oil than we ever had in history. why? because they don't want to piece off, oops, they don't want to anger the far left. just like oftentimes in democratic terms, democrats should talk about economic winds. they are often concerned about the people who are left out. and i get that. but they have got to start running a victory lap. because if they're worried
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about people left out, they're going to be real left out if trump wins. >> first of, all let me highlight the oil production. i don't think that we are producing more oil than we ever have. if i'm not mistaken, the u. s. is producing more oil now than in any nation on earth, and then any nation on earth has ever produced. >> double correct. >> the u.s. is currently producing more oil than any nation on earth has ever produced. if you're worried about the climate, you go well that's not great. here's what i will say. that's true. not great. the theory of the case the biden administration have is, the only way you create the political sustainable transition is to keep oil prices low. because when they spike up the politics on the issue everybody goes bananas. >> yes. >> it's a perfectly credible theory of the case but they
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have to communicate it. and if you are putting the carrot in the air you made is will reap a political benefit. >> hundreds. and in the same breath, after davos, my head was spinning. you kept hearing more and more ceos open to this idea of trump. and on that, is this for real? and i learned two things. a, it, listen, they have to play ball, because there is no ceo of fortune 500 company right now who wants to be the next bob iger ceo of disney with a politician gunning for them. there is the possibility it could be trump and they don't want to be a target. but be, they're also egotistical. they like to be caused and president biden, while he is lots of winning policies, does not appreciate the ceos. i'm not saying he should. but they like to get the call. one of them gave me a call. i was like look at this data. how can you say he is not pro business? and he said to me, you can tell a person's priorities based on their schedule. joe biden doesn't call us. i'm not saying that he should, i'm telling you that's the cycle. >> that's an amazing anecdote. i also remember the time that joe biden bet bill acting, and the big hedge fund guy, and he said who as this who is this a whole? >> that was a story that we supposed to stay in las vegas, but didn't. >> those two elements to this offense so far. one of the weird things is there is a gap between people self reporting in the numbers.
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but there's also this weird gap but when people like ceos. you call them they're all like are pessimistic. they've got it all wrong. by the way, they were wrong. they were just wrong. about what happened. but you would tmothattelevisia erilous situation, uldnit. >> stephuhle, a re. ng, up brand-n filings on the case of good remove don trump from the ballot, but first as the white house prepares some retaliatory action in the middle east, senator chris van hollen, head of the former senate -- committee joins me to talk about the perilous situation, next.
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forces by iran-backed terrorist forces or anyone else. as president biden said, we will hold all those responsible to account at a time and in a matter of our choosing. >> u.s. officials say that the plan is not finalized or likely to be in multiple countries. they are describing this as a campaign that could last weeks. central command announced american forces struck a missile battery in houthi- controlled yemeni territory that threatens u.s. aircraft. this is the latest in the growing list of military actions across the region in recent months, all coming after the hamas attack on october 2nd in the israeli bombardment of gaza, where a ground invasion is now into its fourth month. the senators have been into the area recently, chris van hollen sits on the foreign relations committee. he traveled to rafah with senator jeff merkley earlier this month saying in an interview, quote things are not getting better. chris van hollen, democrat of maryland joins me now.
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senator, great to have you on. first, only a perspective as a member of the foreign relations committee about the administration's stated intent to retaliate for that strike that killed three americans against iran-backed militias and what you think the strategic aim should be with the consultation with the u.s. congress should be. >> well, chris, it's going to be it's good to be with. you i agree with the president that there have to be consequences to those who attacked and killed three u.s. service members in jordan. the administration has also indicated that the attack was planned from the iranian-backed militia in iraq and i expect that as you've said, we're going to see a retaliation. to the point you're making here, it is important that we hold those people accountable. it's also important that we don't fall into a wider war in
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the region. and every day that goes on, the risks of a larger war that sucks the united states in the even more, goes up. >> i want to read to social media posts by your colleague, john cornyn and lindsey graham, republicans. john cornyn said target tehran as soon as the reports came in. he had iran now. hit them hard. what do you think of that kind of rhetoric? >> look, i think this kind of chest beating marco-ism is what could lead to a wider war. i think the response should be based on the intelligence, and we've been told by the white house that the intelligence points to these militias that are in iraq right now. so i would caution those who want to trigger a much bigger war in the region. we are already seeing the exchange of u.s. forces with the houthis. there's a real chance that you could see escalation on the northern border of israel with lebanon and hezbollah. so look, the united states needs to follow through and what the president said. those who hit and killed americans must be held
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accountable. how you do that matters. >> you have been quite outspoken about the humanitarian situation in gaza, specifically the amount of aid that is not getting in, and evidence the palestinians have died since the israeli assault in response to the hamas attack. there was at first shut off of anything coming into the strip. that has changed a bit, but in rafah you saw trucks that are not being allowed in. there are multiple agencies, including the world food programme warning that up to half 1 million people could start. do you have any indication that situation has gotten better since or a visit there in december? >> it has not gotten better. i say that based on conversations as recently as yesterday with the heads of major international non government organizations that are working to get more assistance to people in desperate need in gaza. the situation remains totally
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dysfunctional. these are organizations, chris, that have operated worldwide for decades. they say they have never seen a worse situation with respect to deconfliction, a fancy word for making sure that those who are delivering aid can do it without getting killed, without a bomb falling on their head. that situation remains broken right now. you also have these big backups of trucks, with a very cumbersome and quite random inspection process at a number of these really checkpoints. we went to a warehouse, senator berkeley and i, that was filled with rejected item. they included things like maternity kits to help deliver babies. they included water purifiers. they included a lot of things that, while the claim was that they were dual use, they clearly were not. and here's the thing about it. when a truck loaded with humanitarian aid gets turned back because there is one item that gets knocked off, the whole track has to go back to square one, which can often
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take weeks. so it's really important that we fix this broken system. we need to bring this war to a close and bring the hostages safely home. but in the meantime they need to find a better way to help desperate people in gaza. >> all right, senator chris van hollen of maryland. thank you for your time. we appreciate it. still ahead, in a whirlwind of legal troubles the case that could remove trump from the ballot is about to be heard, and there are some new filings that are interesting. we will talk about what is in them, next.
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>> the many legal issues that don trump faces which threaten his finances, his family business, and his freedom, the most clear-cut political peril is a case the supreme court's gonna hear arguments on next week. it is the appeal of the colorado state supreme court ruling that kept trump off the colorado primary ballot for violating the 14th amendment's ban on insurrectionists holding office. the supreme court's decision on trump's eligibility will be enormously consequential, not least because maine has also disqualified him from running and there are similar similar efforts underway in at least 17 other states. in anticipation of next week's hearing, colorado secretary of state just filed a brief that seems aimed squarely at the court's conservative majority, arguing, quote, just as colorado can't be forced to place on its presidential primary ballot a non-citizen, that is someone who is not born a u.s. citizen, a minor, or someone to a selected, it can also cannot be forced to include a candidate who is engaged in insurrection. a former prosecutor in new york, white-collar criminal defense attorney, and deputy attorney of stewart, persistent
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united states attorney for southerners renew arc, and both join me now. let's start with that argument, that the secretary of state colorado is making. just because the state supreme court decision by colorado very clearly was aimed at neil gorsuch and end of the conservative justice of the supreme court because they knew it was gonna get supreme court review basically like, what we're doing here is a matter of interpreting the u.s. constitution but also state law here and really, like, you guys are real into the states figuring out. it seems like jenna griswold the secretary of state is doing the same thing. >> the colorado supreme court wrote this with the conservative supreme court in mind. it relied on state rates and strict constructionism, which is statute through yourself and forcing. as a former chair of the
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democratic state committee, i know this all too well because the states control federal and state elections who gets on the ballot and who doesn't. so how would you enforce someone taking him off the ballot as the attorney general said if they had been twice elected president? that would be a state right decision. the state would not put them on the ballot. there's nothing really different here other than they have a factual finding of that he was, he participated in the insurrection, as you well. and there is a finding of fact. the 17 other states looking at this issue some may find in two or three have and others have gone through this administrative process. but once you make finding as a fact -- >> in a state court with an appellate review and due process. >> with witnesses. trump didn't put on much of a factual defense, especially in colorado or maine, they just left legal arguments left him wide open with regards to the supreme court and how they will
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interpret it. >> to note also in particular you mention justice gorsuch. when he was sitting on the tenth circuit court of appeals, he specifically interpreted in a colorado case that a presidential candidate who had been a naturalized citizen actually could not be on a presidential ballot, interpreting the constitution. >> stated that very case, stated by the collateral supreme court. >> we'll see the street constructionist textualists a's, how do you interpret this. >> one of the strange things unsaid here, and it's a great moment for legal realists, that is basically what we know is this. the conservative supreme court are not going to let you keep him off the ballot. they know what the outcome is. another question is, how do they reach that decision?
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what legal tool? i know this was interesting pointing this out but one of the sort of really narrow arguments that's been made against this section is that you can't be an officer of the court. i am sorry, an officer of the united states. the president is not an officer. so trump leads with a hyper technical argument. he's not an officer of the united states, then he must of calculated a technical argument more appealing to the conservative majority, such as an argument that trump had the constitutional right to encourage his supporters to charge the capitol. i'm not even artist sir. a little bit of a definitional wriggling out. what do you think of that? >> i think it's a tough argument to make, but it does give these justices an escape hatch. there was an interesting amicus brief written by 25 very esteemed historians who, and
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generally this is the kind of thing that the right wing group of a regionalists like to look at. to examine the history of this clause, and they looked at what an officer means, what that means. we looked at of course the common definition. you think of the president is a chief executive officer, and elected andrew jackson, who defined himself as an officer. it's hard to avoid -- >> replete with examples of the understanding of statutory and constitutional law as an officer. >> as you point out, if this court wants to find a way to get around this, this is a way they might just do that. >> come on, guys. come on chris. if the president isn't an officer or the chief executive officer of united states, which is a government cooperation, what is, he then? is he some agent acting on his own? he's the commander of the military. that dog won't hunt as my grandfather used to say and the fact that they won't say if he
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participated in the wreck shun or an arch, is a way to avoid that ultimate issue. >> right, but they're going to have to find some, look, they're gonna find some way to overrule this decision. the question is what is? it >> i think they can make that argument or another argument that says because we don't know what an officer's or an insurrectionist is defined, that is up to the federal legislature to define. it but there are lots of sections of the constitution that ourself instructional, if you will or define themselves. article three interprets the constitution all the time. >> that's a job. >> that's the point that general griswold is making where she serves the constitutional amendment to the boroughs the president from seeking a third term doesn't need legislation to effectuate it. >> right. it's a deep right issue. one thing to watch, though, in this completely off topic a little bit, is what does justice thomas too?
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does he recuse himself or not? and what about gorsuch? how much does he participate? >> spoiler alert. he's not recusing himself. >> we've got new ethics on this. >> now we do not. we got the same ones. scott bolden and danya perry, thank you very much. still to come, senate republicans turn to the social media hearing into a bit of a farce. >> have you ever been a member of the chinese communist party? >> senator, i'm singaporean, no. >> have you ever been associated or affiliated with the chinese communist party? >> no, senator. again, i am singapore ian. >> amy klobuchar shows us why we are need to be paying closer attention to the social media hearing. media hearing.
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>> we're following a disturbing story out of pennsylvania where 33 year old man is arrested for a grizzly murder displayed on social media. >> justin mont is being accused of beheading his father in bucks county last. night he's facing charges that include murder and abuse of a corpse but he was located here in lebanon county more than two hours away from where police say this crime happened last night. authorities were called to that home in middletown township after being contacted by michael mohn's wife. they're also investigating a video with justin mohn but
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holding his father's head on youtube. i don't >> according to nbc news, the suspect called the clip mohn's militia, spouting conspiracy theories while holding his father had a plastic bag. in a video mohn said his father was a federal employee, saying he was a traitor, calling for all the execution of all federal officials, the the black lives matter movement, lgbtq community, and antifa activists. they say that mohn was a highly active social media user as well as the author of several self published book. he released one book called the rebel leaders survival, guide with a warning to president trump, warning if positive change doesn't come to america. soon we have seen this pattern of behavior before, obviously. the man who viciously attacked nancy pelosi's husband went down an online rabbit hole of right-wing conspiracies. as the one who -- in a washington post area. this is how to unravel case by case is where the root of the problem lies. are people being exposed to this kind of destructive
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rhetoric online are becoming radicalized and ways that lead them to act out and violently? or are people who just have pre- existing issues grabbing on to this particular dark corner of the internet? one thing that seems undeniable at this point, is that the media social media platforms have played a role in the proliferation of right-wing radicalization. there are so pretty lightly regulated, and we've got a constitution that protects speech they want to remain that way. but there's a lot of interest across the political spectrum in, well, changing that. today the ceos of several top platforms faced a grilling by the senate judiciary committee. one of the senators, who asked a lot of requests for tough questions will join me to talk about it, next. it, next.
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how much you can save. >> the heads of the large social media companies were on capitol hill today for hearing on children's safety. all republican senators trying to gain maximal viral traction on exactly the same platforms they were attacking. >> have you ever been a member of the chinese communist party? >> senator, i'm singaporean, no. >> have you ever been associated or affiliated the chinese communist party? >> no, senator, again, i'm singaporean. >> you have convinced over two billion people to give up all of their personal information, every bit of it in exchange for getting to see whether high school friends had for dinner saturday night. it's pretty much your business model, isn't it? >> it's not how i would characterize it. >> your platform is basically an espionage arm for the chinese communist party. why should you not be banned in
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the united states of america? >> there is a lot that is slipping through. it appears that you are trying to be the premier sex trafficking site. >> of course not, senator, that's ridiculous. >> now it is not ridiculous. >> now, demagoguery and histrionics aside, there's a bunch of really genuinely difficult thorny issues that breakdown in interesting ways, not necessarily according to new partisan lines, about, basically, how to regulate those platforms, for the constitution allows in terms of that, and watch, crucially, children should have access to, whose job it is to keep people of a certain age away from harmful or inappropriate content. lawmakers have been trying to regulate the spaces for years, saying that it's time for the companies running them to start backing legislation. >> corn throwing in the liken i
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just want to get this stuff down. i'm so tired of. this it's been 28 years since the internet. we haven't passed any of these bills because everyone's double- talk double-talk. it's time to actually pass them. the reason they haven't passed is because of the power of your companies. so let's be really clear about that. >> senator amy klobuchar of minnesota. she joins me now. do you feel like you learn something from today's hearing? >> and new allot of it, but i think this hearing was a groundbreaking moment. why? different than some of these other hearings. one, there were these incredible families who have lost their kids by one buying percocet on the internet
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presidential surgery, and its laced with fentanyl and die. one pill kills. they had already e has said dragon porcelain agencies that the cartels are harnessing these platforms to sell fentanyl. these families incredibly powerful with a picture of their kids. clearly bipartisan all the bills that senator durbin and graham have ushered through, the judiciary committee, this group of five, two of them are mine, a bipartisan. and number three, you have always tried to divide and conquer, not doing it at that hearing, between the parties. they've already tried to say you guys are too dumb to know what you're doing. that isn't true of the senate judiciary committee. and then they said it so esoteric. it's not esoteric. as one man told me, taking on this, we have a number of kids and they're all getting all exposed to either eating disorder content or drug dealing or they've got revenge porn going on or they send in a picture because they think they're gonna get a girlfriend and it ends up used against them in an extortion case. and she said, it's like, the faucet is overflowing in the sink and i'm out there with a mop by myself trying to mop it up. that's how parents feel right now. so i think that this is going to be the moment. we have already passed this bill through committee, we can head to the floor and there's finally gonna be some accountability and some rules of the road when it comes to the protection of children.
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>> so there's a lot of back and forth on this and this is, again, a complicated era of policy. one area is age requirements and age minimums and who should be in charge, personally i think you could just blanket ban anyone younger than 16 from being on social media. there's still the internet. you can still find out staff. like, that would be, i think, that's not what you are proposing. but there's a question about for age minimum's, who desert. i want to play what zuckerberg said today, which basically is don't look to us. it should be google and apple and the people marketing the phones and apps. take a listen. >> i don't think that parents should have to upload and i. d. proof that you're the parent of a child in every single app that the children use. i think the right place to do this, and a place where it would be very easy for it to work, is within the app stores
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themselves, or my understanding is apple and google or at least apple already requires parental consent when a child does a payment with an app. so it should be pretty trivial to pass a law that requires them to make it so that parents have control anytime a child downloads are now. >> obviously he's talking his book there. he didn't want to do it, but i found a kind of persuasive. what do you say to that? >> sure, i am completely open to these ideas in terms of giving parents more control over their kids lives. but my point is, parents can't do all this. these companies, his company, and many others, are making billions and billions of dollars off marketing to these children so they can get them hooked away. they have the ability to do this. they have the ability to take these fentanyl laced pills. maybe your viewers think i'm making this up. 30% of people that get fentanyl are buying it, yes, it's coming through ports of entry and
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we're working hard on the security bill, but we're trying to get a compromise done here to stop, it but they're getting it off of the internet. and i believe that they have got the ability to stop this content from going on their platforms, and they are making money off of it. they are focused on these kids. and you know, when that door came off that plane, no one said they grounded 700 planes to check them for safety. luckily no one died. and everyone said, yeah i get why you're doing that. that's right. yet these kids are dying every day. they're committing suicide. they're getting fentanyl.
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and yet people are just sitting and letting it happen. no one says oh, maybe that man it was sitting next to the kid on the plane should've done a better job of checking for the bolts. follow the money. that's what we always say in our prosecution office. follow the money. and the money has been going to them and their algorithms and how they are creating this kind of demand for this content. and we could have a new word. world some of it is giving parents the ability, but a lot of it is holding them accountable by allowing them to be sued. open the doors in the courthouse. they are one of the only industries that is immune from m >> nothing motivates people like a lawsuit, chris. >> it'sws true. it's complicated stuff. >> oh, is it? literally the most complicated thing is so onli the horizon ina